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redfarm

Posted 11/7/ 06:52 (#)
Subject: Electric fence for stalks- novice

N. IL

First year with some bred heifers (2) and a couple more spring club calves around the farm. I left 4 acres of stalks untilled near the buildings. Currently buying hay now and would like to give the cattle some room until winter sets in.

We have to buy everything for this project, have nothing left from my 4-H days with electric fence.

I have time to put up some electric fence. Which brand of "twine" wire is worth buying? Gallagher was recommended but most local farm stores sell Dare or Zareba brand wire. Looking at installing 1/4 mile total. Are the step in posts worth the extra cost? Probably need to put up two wires to keep the younger ones in, we have no fences anywhere if they get out (only cows in the area).

Edited by redfarm 11/7/ 06:53

Jim

Posted 11/7/ 07:43 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Electric fence for stalks- novice

Driftless SW Wisconsin

I'd be very concerned about putting spring calves especially that have not been trained to electric fencing on stalks with just a single hot wire and no other fences.  T posts and 2 wires might hold them wit a real hot(6 joule) fencer and good grounds. While steel tee posts are not very popular here with electric fencing, they do have strength and can be driven and removed fairly easily. I use them as corners for temporary single wire fences,  Pigtail step-ins are worth the cost as they last. However with 2 wires you will need something else. Depending on your terrain, I would use steel tee posts with insulators and aluminum wire. With aluminum you can pull it tighter and space posts farther apart than if using the twine. Aluminum doesn't stretch like the twine. Good luck.

Barnstormer

Posted 11/7/ 08:20 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Electric fence for stalks- novice

EC ILL

EC ILL

The Dare poly wire dose not carry the elcetric like the Stafix 9 wire from Kencove. Ive started to go back to the steel or aluminum wire for the calves,seems to work better. paul the original

Posted 11/7/ 08:23 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Electric fence for stalks- novice

southern MN

Calves can be an adventure. Are they used to an electric wire where they are?

I plow next to the fence, it gives the critters a visual and physical barrier so they don't often get to the fence. If they are playing or fighting or running, they don't want to take that step down into the furrow or into the soft dirt, its poorer footing so they stay away. On a small scale, anything, a single point sub soiler, or a tiller pass, to make a noticeable strip of loose or black dirt?

Simple cheap rod posts work fine, the bag of plastic insulators work fine. My trouble with the rod posts is the little plate at the bottom they make so thin, it bends when I step it into our hard clay soil. My older posts had a better thicker plate on it, last forever.

Get real wire. The cords or tapes are filled with very thin wire, which breaks down in about 3 years, and becomes worthless.

Jim likes aluminum wire, its lighter and easy to handle. For 4 acres, anything of the spools of wire will work out, the thinner gauges too. If you do the plow thing, they will pause and see the thinner wire.... For my 40 acres, I use barbed wire dad had here, must be 60-70 years old. I don't suppose they make stuff like that any more.

Paul

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Ben

Posted 11/7/ 10:52 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Electric fence for stalks- novice

North Mo.

Ok you are lucky no fence material "to get by with". First off buy quality material for the most part that means stay away from farm store wire, energizers, post and insulators. That said they are starting to carry better quality stuff. Lots of stores carry Gallagher equipment now.
2 .run from steel of any sort don't care what any one else says it is a GROUND ROD PERIOD. Look into timeless fence or pasture pro post and only O'Brien's step in post. One could use fiberglass post also for the fence, I feel you would still need a more stable post once in a while like the timeless or pasture pro 3. use 2 wires or make sure it is low enough some rascal won't go under it, the plowing on a crop field isn't a half bad idea. I would guess the electric fence wire sold in stores would be ok, I would not use it or aluminum because I roll up so often. Sounds like you are a put up and leave type. Try a corner made out of some plastic post sold thru the fence companies, feel it might work for you. You will no doubt think this is high priced stuff and it is but it is reusable for years. jedstivers

Posted 11/7/ 13:01 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Electric fence for stalks- novice

Marianna Arkansas

Marianna Arkansas

Do yourself a favor and buy hi tensile wire from Kencove. Get the composit white post and the cotter pins to hold the wire to the post.
You can use regular round wood fence post for corners or do like we have done is use 2" or 2 1/2" pipe for post. We just cut to the length we need. If ground is soft both can be driven in with a loader bucket.
Use that for premier fence and if you want to rotate use tape and step in post for that.
Get a good stay fix charger too. Use two strands, make the top one as high as out can.
Blusteryknollfarm

Posted 11/7/ 16:14 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Electric fence for stalks- novice

North Central Illinois

I got sick of bending the little plates. Now I buy 3/8" rebar, cut to 4' and weld a worn out sickle knife section on. Half the cost and much stronger. The ridges on the rebar hold the insulators better too. milofarmer1

Posted 11/7/ 19:37 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Electric fence for stalks- novice

Texas/New Mexico Stateline

Texas/New Mexico Stateline

Plowing under the fence is very good advice. It helps them find the border at night too if something gets them stirred up.





John In Ontario

Posted 11/7/ 19:59 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Electric fence for stalks- novice

Ripley, Ontario Canada

Ripley, Ontario Canada

1 buy a good fencer, Gallagher is a good brand, only one carried around here, because it is the only one the local dealer can get parts for to fix in a reasonable amount of time.

2 steel t posts work good for what you want, a little more substantial than rods, not that expensive, can be pushed in with loader and pulled out later.

3 use steel/aluminum wire, 14 gauge will be enough, you don't need the high tensile stuff, but if it is fence you don't plan to take down, the ht wire is better, it doesn't rust as fast.

4 put springs in every wire, you will fix a lot less wires if they have some give.

5 make sure the cattle know what electric fence is before you turn them out, fence a small yard etc so they get used to it.

6 make the fence visible, 2 or 3 strands of wire will likely work, but can be hard to see, plowing, hanging bags on the wire, posts close together, anything to let them know where the fence is. NoTill

Posted 11/8/ 09:05 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Electric fence for stalks- novice

NC Indiana

Stafix 9 white or Gallagher poly 9 wire is what we use.

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Posted 11/9/ 18:10 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Electric fence for stalks- novice

United States

You should try the Gallagher ring top posts.. they are nice and better than fooling with pigtail posts or rod posts and insulators

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