Which paddle to buy for mixing thinset? [Archive]

16, Dec. 2024

 

Which paddle to buy for mixing thinset? [Archive]

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DIYourselfer

I hear some paddles are much better than others. I assume the shape makes the mixing more thorough. Which is a good one and who sells it?

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ceramictec

I like the egg beater type.

the main goal is to not whip air into your grout & thinset.

DIYourselfer

Like this one?

http://www.bontool.com/product1.asp?P=12%2D851

$26 shipped.

Do the big box stores sell one like this?

gbh

I have not seen one like that at HD or Lowe's (In Colorado). They sell similar, but with "D" shaped beaters for ~$10. I have one and I would say it works OK, but I suspect there are better. I have no idea what is best though (see sig).

pdq

DIYourselfer, I'm not an expert on paddles, but I suspect with that one you're going to have unmixed voids at the bottom of your bucket along the outside perimeter, due to the oval shape of the paddle.

They sell a similar paddle to that, except with a flat bottom and flat sides (rectangular shaped egg beater), so that it will blend throughout the bucket.

jason

A search of the forums shows this topic has come up several times before.
The absolute best seems to be the spiral type mixer from what I am reading.
Dave Gobis has a chart comparing the various types of mixer in this thread:
http://johnbridge.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=

DIYourselfer

Nice mixer but looks like it needs a big drill.

Tool Guy - Kg

Steve, if you're referring to the ribbon mixer with the flat bottom on your last comment...The ribbon mixer doesn't require a bigger mixer than the others. :)

DIYourselfer

That will fit in a regular electric drill with no modifications? Who sells it?

Thanks!!!

ceramictec

yes Home Depot sells a beater type paddle from Brutus and also a spiral type.

Curlycherry

I've got one of the non spiral types that is has rectangular arms (kind of like the one listed above) and it works great. You must keep the speed down so I use a right angle drill used by electricians. What better reason to buy a new tool than to do a job right, correct.

martgreg

I have been using a right angle drill that i am "borrowing" from the electrician..

i covered it in a plastic bag however to keep t clean...

:)

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ceramictec

I have been using these for years and love them.

irish tileguy in michigan

Same here Brian.

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Contact an expert -The mixer supplier will have previous experience in either your process or something similar that will help to determine the right mixer for the application.

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